I want the brand split to end

[Storm]

I used to be a big proponent of the brandsplit, but right now I'm watching matches from back in 2001 during the Invasion...and you just can't do this kind of stuff with only one weekly show between PPVs. I'm on the second Angle/Austin match (Unforgiven) and the recap from SummerSlam to Unforgiven...geeze. The milk truck incident, Austin throwing Angle's medals in the lake, Angle attacking Austin in his own pick up truck and threatening to drown him, Austin throwing Angle off the stage, + a bunch of tag matches and run-ins all in the ~4 weeks between the PPVs. You just can't build that kind of hype and epicness in an average of 4 shows like they have to try now.

What's even better is they build that kind of stuff into the match, like Angle just threw Austin off the stage in the middle of their match.

I guess they could go back to brand-specific PPVs every month, but meh...I think the roster is small enough now to go back to the old model, as not only would it allow more buildup but we wouldn't see the same match ups every month.

[christiankane]

Normally I'd reply to this thread with some kind of insult directed at you, but because you talked about my favourite feud ever...I'll let you off.

The brand specific PPVs were really awful, in my opinion. But I don't think they'll ever really abolish the brand split. Personally, I just can't see it happening.

[Storm]

Well I'd definitely prefer an end to the split over ther brand specific PPVs, but I think if they did do Brand Specific PPVs again it wouldn't be as bad before. When they first introduced them it was a time when there were very little big name stars per brand, especially on SD - and RAW had a bunch of horribles in the main event scene like Nash, Goldberg, and Steiner. I think now the brands could stand up on their own better if they did go that route.

[Trav McBang!]

Brand split needs to stay

or else guys like Ziggler, Rhodes, etc. would barely ever get TV time

[Storm]

Jul 29, 2010 15:52:57 GMT -5 Trav McBang! said:

Brand split needs to stay

or else guys like Ziggler, Rhodes, etc. would barely ever get TV time

While I understand that argument and its why I used to support the split - I liked it when it came out when so many people were complaining - I feel like they could end it and still give them decent enough time for what they're doing. I mean, Ziggler for example: He'd have 8 opportunities to appear on TV as opposed to 4 now in an average PPV-to-PPV span, and when they have something for him - i.e. his current IC title feud he'd probably get more than the 4 he's getting now. When he doesn't have something, sure, he might only get 3, maybe even only 2 matches/appearances a month - but do we really need to see him painting Vicki's office in shorts and a toolbelt when he's not doing anything that's really noteworthy?

[Trav McBang!]

Yes.

But the shows would be full of the big guys. You say there's twice as many chances for the newer guys to appear...there aren't. Instead we'll get 8 Cena shows instead of 4. That's why they had the split...too much talent, not enough TV time. It's a good thing.

[Stephen Callaway]

Before the split boards like Gamefaqs were full of 'we see too much Triple H'. We had the split and now we only see him once a week (when he's here). Ending the split would give too much of guys like Khali, Triple H, Cena, Orton, Thwagga and the usual top guys. Bourne, Ziggler maybe Kofi would be pushed aside.

What WWE should do is separate the brands, make them more clearly defined. In late 2003, Raw was 'Sports Entertainment' with Triple H, Goldberg, Orton & Shawn and Smackdown was 'Wrestling' with Angle, Guerreros, Edge, Jericho and the other Canadian named Chris.

[tommyhargrove]

I can't stand the brand split it's why I personally don't watch wrestling anymore. The WWE doesn't have enough big name guys to warrent having the talent spread between three federations.

Awesome feuds like Austin/Angle can never happen again because the shows are so limited.

I think Vince wants it to stay this way though, I don't think he wants huge stars like Hogan, The Rock, Austin, etc. Mainly because they can be stolen away, now if the WWE loses someone they are fairly easily replaced as nobody is bigger than the federation.

Even the top guys aren't huge like they were in the 80's and 90's

[TJ Da MilkMan]

Jul 29, 2010 16:29:51 GMT -5 tommyhargrove said:

I can't stand the brand split it's why I personally don't watch wrestling anymore. The WWE doesn't have enough big name guys to warrent having the talent spread between three federations.

Awesome feuds like Austin/Angle can never happen again because the shows are so limited.

I think Vince wants it to stay this way though, I don't think he wants huge stars like Hogan, The Rock, Austin, etc. Mainly because they can be stolen away, now if the WWE loses someone they are fairly easily replaced as nobody is bigger than the federation.

Even the top guys aren't huge like they were in the 80's and 90's

Thats because wrestling isn't as big as it was in the 80s and 90s.

This is more of the blind, "I HATE WWE NOW" that I consistently see on the internet, but this is actually some of the more intelligent reasons. I've seen "I don't like the WWE because the wrestling sucks, ROH is better."

The big names can't be stolen like before, they have contracts they must honor or fear lawsuits. Plus where are they gonna go? TNA is trash, ROH is still an indy federation and they are gonna stay like that because that's what they like.

I like the brand splits for the reasons Trav said. But its Vince, he would gladly make 8 Cena shows for the sake of money so wouldn't rule it out

[tommyhargrove]

it's not just other brands that can steal away the talent.

Like the Rock, he went to Hollywood, now he makes movies, even though he could have probably wrestled at a high level for another 10 - 15 years when he retired.

Vince built The Rock up, he made him popular and then got kinda stabbed in the back.

Also TNA might be crap but they offer some things the WWE don't, such as letting guys take time off when they want too, stuff like that, so it's not really as strict as WWE where guys have to give like 280 days a year to wrestling.

TNA could actually compete with WWE if the people running the show didn't fall into the Ted Turner complex, thinking that buying the best talent available and letting them do their own thing would make the brand successful.

It only worked with WCW because Ted Turner just kept tossing money at it, and NWO was revolutionary at it's time, although they milked that horse until it died a horrible death and took WCW with it.

This is just my opinion though, I could be wrong, I probably am wrong, I still dislike the roster split though, I'd rather it just be WWE and have a well established Main/Mid/Low card talent. As I said, the WWE doesn't have the talent to run three different brands.

["Dangerous" Mike Deacon]

Jul 29, 2010 17:29:59 GMT -5 tommyhargrove said:

it's not just other brands that can steal away the talent.

Like the Rock, he went to Hollywood, now he makes movies, even though he could have probably wrestled at a high level for another 10 - 15 years when he retired.

Vince built The Rock up, he made him popular and then got kinda stabbed in the back.

Also TNA might be crap but they offer some things the WWE don't, such as letting guys take time off when they want too, stuff like that, so it's not really as strict as WWE where guys have to give like 280 days a year to wrestling.

TNA could actually compete with WWE if the people running the show didn't fall into the Ted Turner complex, thinking that buying the best talent available and letting them do their own thing would make the brand successful.

It only worked with WCW because Ted Turner just kept tossing money at it, and NWO was revolutionary at it's time, although they milked that horse until it died a horrible death and took WCW with it.

This is just my opinion though, I could be wrong, I probably am wrong, I still dislike the roster split though, I'd rather it just be WWE and have a well established Main/Mid/Low card talent. As I said, the WWE doesn't have the talent to run three different brands.

I hate to be the one guy who says this, but there are PLENT of reasons that TNA will never compete with WWE. Trying to buy top talent isn't one of them. They bring in guys like Hogan and the ECW originals, but they're so past their expiration date they aren't top talent anymore.

The main reason is that nobody know what the hell they're doing. Vince Russo's in charge of booking with no one to keep him in check like McMahon in the Attitude Era or Cornette in earlier TNA. He's in charge of creative and Dixie Carter, who has NO prior experience in wrestling is trying to keep the whole company in check. I'm amazed it hasn't gone up in flames yet.

You can make the fastest racecar in the world, but if you give it to a guy who can't drive, he won't win any races.

[Stephen Callaway]

I think there's a fine line between 'one last run' and 'enough already'. TNA has brought in Flair, Hogan and the ECW guys all for 'one last run'

Flair I got tired of looking at when he was following Triple H like a lovesick puppy. Hogan doesn't really do anything of note except live of his name value. ECW has had more tributes than they had sell out arena crowds. ECW closed down 10 years ago and died. Let it rest.

[B. Epic]

Yeah, I'm with the majority here, WWE needs the brand split because with it, there are so many lower card names that are finally getting air time and higher positions on the card. RAW is already top-heavy anyway...add the Smackdown! guys to the mix twice a week and there is no way the lower card will ever get over.

[lossexys]

I would put my 2 cents into why the brand split is much needed in the WWE, but I'd be basically echoing what The Kreig, Callaway, TJ, Deacon and Hendrickson said. So yeah.

[TJ Da MilkMan]

The only way I'd be fine with the brand split gone is this:

[lossexys]

A red x?

[TJ Da MilkMan]

Damn fucking internet it should be a giant fucking picture of Stacy Kiebler in lingere.

[Better Than Johnny Noble]

The brand split won't go. WWE gets money from two touring parties this way instead of one. And when you remember that ticket sales are big income this effectively doubles it.